Anyone who really thinks you said/meant and believe “ The English Will Go Extinct, Who Cares” has not listened to a single word out of your mouth over the past few years. You are doing more than most to keep this conversation alive, thriving, and healthy, and I am grateful for that. Thank you.
Totally agree. Who on earth chose to take offence at that? Back in the sixties my mother said one day we will all be coffee coloured. In those days it was said in a conversational tone but now it is more triggering, but Andrew did not mean it like that.
You have real integrity. Ignore the woke right's insults. I've grown up partly on 4chan and it's always been obvious that there's a "woke right" of sorts (just not called by that term back then) and I find it foolish to pretend otherwise. If the response to your video with Steve doesn't prove that for someone, then I guess nothing will, because they don't want to face it. Sending you support from Germany.
Your honesty and integrity deserve the utmost respect. Full marks for that. I know you’re sincere, but I believe you’re being unnecessarily self-deprecating by apologising to those who wilfully misinterpreted your unscripted comments. There really is no reason to say sorry.
“Still, by focusing so heavily on how difficult ethnicity is to define, it felt to some people that I was proud of my own ethnicity while denying others the right to value theirs. I hear that criticism. It was not my intention, but I understand why it landed that way.”
You’re being very gracious here. I find those misunderstanding your consistent stance to be behaving wilfully.
I know you touched on this in your last newsletter more than you did this one, but I suspect I’m not the only one who feels this way ( even though I’m not English and I don’t have skin in the game) so I decided to share my thoughts anyway: While I am the descendent of immigrants, one thing that doesn’t seem to be being considered is that not everyone who comes through mass unvetted immigration should have the right to stay and negatively impact the society whose let them in. Not any more than if I had bad house guests or a bad tenant should I be forced to let them stay for the rest of their lives. I think it is more than reasonable to send people back if they are not a net good to the country. It is not a moral good to allow immigrants to stay if they drain the system (and English taxes are appallingly high already by American standards - and don’t get me started on the insanity of what is legally considered a resident to apply these heinous taxes to). And if someone has been involved in crime or a connection to terrorist ideology, they should not be welcome to stay. The English, whether ethically, or deeply ingrained English culture from a young age, should have the right to a good life in their country. Anything less is an injustice.
Nice one, Andrew. Thank you very much. I have always viewed you as a good man, as well as being insightful and intelligent. This article really bears out this view, imo.
Ashkenazi Jews are not a minority among Israeli Jews, because (a) we ARE Israeli Jews, and (b) we classify ourselves as Jews and Israeli first and Ashkenazi as an afterthought. I guess for Jews living in the diaspora this is different.
Also, what do you mean you "consider yourself English"? English is an ethnicity. Are you ethnically English or not? How is this different from men who "consider" themselves women? You can be English culturally (perhaps, that's what you mean), but ethnicity is genetic - you can't "consider" yourself into a genetic group. Doesn't mean you can't, or shouldn't, live among them and belong to them in every other way.
Ethnicity doesn't have a clear biological definition in the way that sex does.
In humans, sex is determined quite literally by one specific gene, the "Sex-determining Region of the Y chromosome" or SRY for short. (There are exceptional situations in which the body can develop as if it doesn't have this gene even though it does, but those are rare disorders.)
No such gene exists for any "race" or "ethnicity" because these are almost entirely fluid concepts. Sets of genes can be more or less common in populations, which changes the way a person looks, and therefore affects our perception of their race or ethnicity. But the set of genes we associate with any group changes over time, as groups mingle.
The gene pool of "English ethnicity" today is very different from what it was 200 years ago. In contrast, males are still identified by the exact same gene (SRY) that they've had 300,000 years ago.
Furthermore, the concept of "ethnicity" incorporates culture. Arguably, ethnicity just means "race plus culture." If a group of Jews have lived with the English for centuries, then it's reasonable to say that they're ethnically neither just "Jewish" nor just "English" but "English Jew" because the combination of their genes and culture is a combination of English and Jewish. Maybe the genes are still more Jewish, if they didn't mix much with others, but their culture is probably deeply mixed with English after centuries.
This is why I think it's reasonable to say that someone like Andrew can consider himself ethnically "English-Jewish" which is a type of English as well as a type of Jewish.
I disagree with the term woke right, as woke is a Left-wing ideology. That being said however, I agree wholeheartedly with the rest you wrote down. I'm a big fan of Heretics.... never thought I would say that as a Catholic! Haha. Keep on being yourself, keep on learning and keep on doing the right stuff you are doing now. You learn, you grow, and your Channel grows with you.
"I oppose treating people differently based on ethnicity," I understand where you are coming from but I disagree. I think it is perfectly fair (actually sensible) for a country to treat applicants for residence or citizenship differently, partly based on ethnicity. That does not mean you treat them rudely or dismissively but we have to accept the cultures are different, most cultures are linked to ethnicities and our culture has a chance to (not stay stagnant) but to change calmly and in accordance with the beliefs of its citizens not because a government lets in millions of new people. so as to rid the world of diversity and make us all 1 mixed race, multicultural and indistinguishable people.
The word "ethnos" is defined as "people of the same race or nationality who share a distinctive culture" and originally comes from a Greek word for "nation" or "people."
So, it doesn't just refer to race. If you only wanted to refer to genes, then say race instead.
There are no black people of the English race, but there is now a Black English ethnicity.
EDIT: Even the "English race" is of course fluid and mixed, as another comment points out. It includes Celtic, Germanic, Norse, and so on. Maybe one day in the far future there will be an "English race" that's somewhat brown-skinned due to mixing even more over the centuries. Or maybe not. Who cares? It's the culture that matters, not the genes.
No mate - you don’t get to redefine my people, my tribe, my lineage , to suit your agenda. Ethnicity has a definition already - you don’t get to change it. Jog on and be happy with your own - because English is a tribe that is not up for grabs. Your comment is racist , ill informed and ignorant
I'm using an age-old dictionary definition of the word. It seems you're trying to redefine "ethnicity" to just mean "race." If you mean race, just say race. It's a separate word for a reason.
Saying “if you only want genes, say race” oversimplifies: Ethnicity incorporates ancestry (genes + history), while race focuses more narrowly on phenotype. Now toddle off. I’m
English and I know what that means - clearly you do not.
In 100 years, today will be part of "history." And people will look back and see that there were many black people among the English. So, blacks are part of new English history. That's just a fact, sorry it offends you.
I don’t think English is an ethncity as such (anymore). There were so many Germanic tribes, that to a more or lesser degree merged over time and there was (minor) migration from neighbouring area’s with different ethnicities. But Germanic is still an ethnicity, belonging to a certain patch of the world. It’s like family to me: are you very indivdualistic, don’t you care for shared history and culture, then your background might mean less to you than a group thinker with feelings of loyalty and protection
I enjoyed the debate, he said crazy things and so did Andrew.
You dont have to have been here since Alfred to be English ( in my opinion) and you arent instantly not English if it turns out your nan is Irish.(in my opinion)
Born in the 70’s almost everyone I knew was English, we were a mostly static population and most of us could walk to our grandparents houses after school, that is now rare.
There was about 1 black kid per school where I lived, typically with strict, conservative parents and no obviously different identity.
Indians arrived and suddenly I knew lots of Indian kids, their mums were often nice, dads less so.
Before this we didnt need a strict definition of Englishness, almost everyone was and who was going to say my well spoken black mate (Christopher Pym) was not English. He was English enough for us, just a different colour.
Now the increase of immigrants and the changes all around makes us wary and idiotically I cling to eccles cakes and black puddings to distinguish me from them, but its new, we didnt used to have to defend our ethnicity and it would never have us at the back of the queue. English ethnicity and a definition of it may involve absurdities but thats not my fault, it used to be the default.
Hello Andrew. How about this as a goal going forward:
90% Ethnically British
10% Not ethnically British but communities allowed to stay are the ones who have organically low levels of Endogamy (in group reproductive preference).
This would avoid Bulkanisation as after a few generations those from the 10% are in excess of 94% ethnically British (even approved of by the ethnonats).
This would also weed out cultural / religious extremists, such as communities who consider themselves too superior to become mostly ethnically British, even when they live in Britain for generations.
The resulting deportations do not need to be about ethnicity beyond the economic performance of each country of origin. For example, Somalian / Pakistani / Bangladeshi (etc etc) families are overwhelmingly a net drain on the economy over generations. They can be given a two year period to become £10k per year net positive or take the two years benefit money up front and deport themselves.
It simply turns out that the ethnic origin groups who have high levels of Endogamy (resulting in bulkanisation) are the same ones who have extremely low levels of productivity. Apart from the highly religious Jews, but their numbers are so small they are basically irrelevant to this debate.
It’s not that Britain has ‘lost confidence’ Andrew. We (especially the English) are not allowed to even express patriotism! I’m currently in Oz, was in New Zealand last week, people fly flags and wear national symbols - we have our Union and St George’s flags taken down! Nobody here believes me when I tell them!
Rafe Heydel-Mankoo, Konstantin Kisin and, indeed, yourself I would certainly class as English.
If your forebears have come to this country and assimilated into the English way of life, why not? Some of mine did a century or two back.
Under the rules as would be laid down by Stephen Laws, we would be a republic as the Royal Family has such strong Germanic origins and would be kicked out. And that's before you get to the national football team.
If people come here and want to live in a parallel community, then maybe they should move to another country more in line with their values, but if you want to live with, rather than among, the rest of us and make a real contribution, you're welcome in my book.
KK is not English but he is a reasonable addition to the British, even English, community and deserves and is welcome to citizenship. Don't know about AG or RHM.
Anyone who really thinks you said/meant and believe “ The English Will Go Extinct, Who Cares” has not listened to a single word out of your mouth over the past few years. You are doing more than most to keep this conversation alive, thriving, and healthy, and I am grateful for that. Thank you.
Totally agree. Who on earth chose to take offence at that? Back in the sixties my mother said one day we will all be coffee coloured. In those days it was said in a conversational tone but now it is more triggering, but Andrew did not mean it like that.
You have real integrity. Ignore the woke right's insults. I've grown up partly on 4chan and it's always been obvious that there's a "woke right" of sorts (just not called by that term back then) and I find it foolish to pretend otherwise. If the response to your video with Steve doesn't prove that for someone, then I guess nothing will, because they don't want to face it. Sending you support from Germany.
Your honesty and integrity deserve the utmost respect. Full marks for that. I know you’re sincere, but I believe you’re being unnecessarily self-deprecating by apologising to those who wilfully misinterpreted your unscripted comments. There really is no reason to say sorry.
“Still, by focusing so heavily on how difficult ethnicity is to define, it felt to some people that I was proud of my own ethnicity while denying others the right to value theirs. I hear that criticism. It was not my intention, but I understand why it landed that way.”
You’re being very gracious here. I find those misunderstanding your consistent stance to be behaving wilfully.
I know you touched on this in your last newsletter more than you did this one, but I suspect I’m not the only one who feels this way ( even though I’m not English and I don’t have skin in the game) so I decided to share my thoughts anyway: While I am the descendent of immigrants, one thing that doesn’t seem to be being considered is that not everyone who comes through mass unvetted immigration should have the right to stay and negatively impact the society whose let them in. Not any more than if I had bad house guests or a bad tenant should I be forced to let them stay for the rest of their lives. I think it is more than reasonable to send people back if they are not a net good to the country. It is not a moral good to allow immigrants to stay if they drain the system (and English taxes are appallingly high already by American standards - and don’t get me started on the insanity of what is legally considered a resident to apply these heinous taxes to). And if someone has been involved in crime or a connection to terrorist ideology, they should not be welcome to stay. The English, whether ethically, or deeply ingrained English culture from a young age, should have the right to a good life in their country. Anything less is an injustice.
deeply ingrained English culture. I like that. And yes, it's fine by me.
Nice one, Andrew. Thank you very much. I have always viewed you as a good man, as well as being insightful and intelligent. This article really bears out this view, imo.
Ashkenazi Jews are not a minority among Israeli Jews, because (a) we ARE Israeli Jews, and (b) we classify ourselves as Jews and Israeli first and Ashkenazi as an afterthought. I guess for Jews living in the diaspora this is different.
Also, what do you mean you "consider yourself English"? English is an ethnicity. Are you ethnically English or not? How is this different from men who "consider" themselves women? You can be English culturally (perhaps, that's what you mean), but ethnicity is genetic - you can't "consider" yourself into a genetic group. Doesn't mean you can't, or shouldn't, live among them and belong to them in every other way.
This is how I see it:
Ethnicity doesn't have a clear biological definition in the way that sex does.
In humans, sex is determined quite literally by one specific gene, the "Sex-determining Region of the Y chromosome" or SRY for short. (There are exceptional situations in which the body can develop as if it doesn't have this gene even though it does, but those are rare disorders.)
No such gene exists for any "race" or "ethnicity" because these are almost entirely fluid concepts. Sets of genes can be more or less common in populations, which changes the way a person looks, and therefore affects our perception of their race or ethnicity. But the set of genes we associate with any group changes over time, as groups mingle.
The gene pool of "English ethnicity" today is very different from what it was 200 years ago. In contrast, males are still identified by the exact same gene (SRY) that they've had 300,000 years ago.
Furthermore, the concept of "ethnicity" incorporates culture. Arguably, ethnicity just means "race plus culture." If a group of Jews have lived with the English for centuries, then it's reasonable to say that they're ethnically neither just "Jewish" nor just "English" but "English Jew" because the combination of their genes and culture is a combination of English and Jewish. Maybe the genes are still more Jewish, if they didn't mix much with others, but their culture is probably deeply mixed with English after centuries.
This is why I think it's reasonable to say that someone like Andrew can consider himself ethnically "English-Jewish" which is a type of English as well as a type of Jewish.
There's clearly a biological basis to ethnicity & denying this is delusional
I disagree with the term woke right, as woke is a Left-wing ideology. That being said however, I agree wholeheartedly with the rest you wrote down. I'm a big fan of Heretics.... never thought I would say that as a Catholic! Haha. Keep on being yourself, keep on learning and keep on doing the right stuff you are doing now. You learn, you grow, and your Channel grows with you.
"I oppose treating people differently based on ethnicity," I understand where you are coming from but I disagree. I think it is perfectly fair (actually sensible) for a country to treat applicants for residence or citizenship differently, partly based on ethnicity. That does not mean you treat them rudely or dismissively but we have to accept the cultures are different, most cultures are linked to ethnicities and our culture has a chance to (not stay stagnant) but to change calmly and in accordance with the beliefs of its citizens not because a government lets in millions of new people. so as to rid the world of diversity and make us all 1 mixed race, multicultural and indistinguishable people.
English 🏴 is an ethnicity , there are no black ‘English’ people. British however , is a culture. It’s not hard to understand
The word "ethnos" is defined as "people of the same race or nationality who share a distinctive culture" and originally comes from a Greek word for "nation" or "people."
So, it doesn't just refer to race. If you only wanted to refer to genes, then say race instead.
There are no black people of the English race, but there is now a Black English ethnicity.
EDIT: Even the "English race" is of course fluid and mixed, as another comment points out. It includes Celtic, Germanic, Norse, and so on. Maybe one day in the far future there will be an "English race" that's somewhat brown-skinned due to mixing even more over the centuries. Or maybe not. Who cares? It's the culture that matters, not the genes.
No mate - you don’t get to redefine my people, my tribe, my lineage , to suit your agenda. Ethnicity has a definition already - you don’t get to change it. Jog on and be happy with your own - because English is a tribe that is not up for grabs. Your comment is racist , ill informed and ignorant
I'm using an age-old dictionary definition of the word. It seems you're trying to redefine "ethnicity" to just mean "race." If you mean race, just say race. It's a separate word for a reason.
Saying “if you only want genes, say race” oversimplifies: Ethnicity incorporates ancestry (genes + history), while race focuses more narrowly on phenotype. Now toddle off. I’m
English and I know what that means - clearly you do not.
In 100 years, today will be part of "history." And people will look back and see that there were many black people among the English. So, blacks are part of new English history. That's just a fact, sorry it offends you.
I don’t think English is an ethncity as such (anymore). There were so many Germanic tribes, that to a more or lesser degree merged over time and there was (minor) migration from neighbouring area’s with different ethnicities. But Germanic is still an ethnicity, belonging to a certain patch of the world. It’s like family to me: are you very indivdualistic, don’t you care for shared history and culture, then your background might mean less to you than a group thinker with feelings of loyalty and protection
Your ‘think’ is wrong - the English ethnicity is a historical fusion:
• Celtic (pre-Roman and Romano-British)
• Germanic (Anglo-Saxon core)
• Norse (Viking settlements)
• Norman French (post-1066 elite influence)
This makes it a classic example of a hybrid ethnic group, much like many many others worldwide.
You can’t just deny us out of existence . You have been schooled.
I advise you stop using the term 'woke right' as it just makes you look silly
I enjoyed the debate, he said crazy things and so did Andrew.
You dont have to have been here since Alfred to be English ( in my opinion) and you arent instantly not English if it turns out your nan is Irish.(in my opinion)
Born in the 70’s almost everyone I knew was English, we were a mostly static population and most of us could walk to our grandparents houses after school, that is now rare.
There was about 1 black kid per school where I lived, typically with strict, conservative parents and no obviously different identity.
Indians arrived and suddenly I knew lots of Indian kids, their mums were often nice, dads less so.
Before this we didnt need a strict definition of Englishness, almost everyone was and who was going to say my well spoken black mate (Christopher Pym) was not English. He was English enough for us, just a different colour.
Now the increase of immigrants and the changes all around makes us wary and idiotically I cling to eccles cakes and black puddings to distinguish me from them, but its new, we didnt used to have to defend our ethnicity and it would never have us at the back of the queue. English ethnicity and a definition of it may involve absurdities but thats not my fault, it used to be the default.
Hello Andrew. How about this as a goal going forward:
90% Ethnically British
10% Not ethnically British but communities allowed to stay are the ones who have organically low levels of Endogamy (in group reproductive preference).
This would avoid Bulkanisation as after a few generations those from the 10% are in excess of 94% ethnically British (even approved of by the ethnonats).
This would also weed out cultural / religious extremists, such as communities who consider themselves too superior to become mostly ethnically British, even when they live in Britain for generations.
The resulting deportations do not need to be about ethnicity beyond the economic performance of each country of origin. For example, Somalian / Pakistani / Bangladeshi (etc etc) families are overwhelmingly a net drain on the economy over generations. They can be given a two year period to become £10k per year net positive or take the two years benefit money up front and deport themselves.
It simply turns out that the ethnic origin groups who have high levels of Endogamy (resulting in bulkanisation) are the same ones who have extremely low levels of productivity. Apart from the highly religious Jews, but their numbers are so small they are basically irrelevant to this debate.
Regards,
Mike
It’s not that Britain has ‘lost confidence’ Andrew. We (especially the English) are not allowed to even express patriotism! I’m currently in Oz, was in New Zealand last week, people fly flags and wear national symbols - we have our Union and St George’s flags taken down! Nobody here believes me when I tell them!
Rafe Heydel-Mankoo, Konstantin Kisin and, indeed, yourself I would certainly class as English.
If your forebears have come to this country and assimilated into the English way of life, why not? Some of mine did a century or two back.
Under the rules as would be laid down by Stephen Laws, we would be a republic as the Royal Family has such strong Germanic origins and would be kicked out. And that's before you get to the national football team.
If people come here and want to live in a parallel community, then maybe they should move to another country more in line with their values, but if you want to live with, rather than among, the rest of us and make a real contribution, you're welcome in my book.
KK is not English but he is a reasonable addition to the British, even English, community and deserves and is welcome to citizenship. Don't know about AG or RHM.
I have no sympathy for you.