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Ricardo Richardson's avatar

Andrew writes

"Even Carl Benjamin’s suggestion that we send back those who came in the grotesque Boris wave from the past five years rings authoritarian and unjust to me. Ultimately, while I agree that this has absolutely fucked the country, these individuals mostly entered the country legally, often at great financial and personal cost. To then revoke their pass and uproot their lives because we decided that our prime minister(s) made a big mistake wouldn’t be right."

But it's not that our Prime Ministers merely made a mistake. It's that, from 1997, the parties they led had absolutely no democratic mandate to turbocharge net migration in the way they did. (Net migration under the Thatcher/Major government averaged 15k per year. Under New Labour it averaged 200k per year. And under the Tories it averaged a whopping 345k per year.)

Not one of New Labour's manifestos even hinted at a quantam leap in net migration. New Labour DIDN'T pledge to massively INCREASE net migration but they DID. Conversely, in successive manifestos, the Tories DID pledge to massively DECREASE net migration but they DIDN'T.

So from 1997 there's been no democratic mandate whatsoever for a policy that Andrew acknowledges "has absolutely fucked the country". And yet Andrew decrees that the British people simply have to do the decent thing and put up with being fucked over. That hardly strikes me as a satisfactory response.

Andrew might reply that it's hardly satisfactory - at least from the perspective of the Boris Wave - that they be deported. I agree. But someone has to get fucked over. And if the priority is ensuring a homeland for the British people one might argue that, regrettably, the Boris Wave being fucked over is the lesser of two evils.

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Well said Andrew.

I'm half Austrian, half English (Mother, Father respectively). Would he let me stay, or do I have to go? What if my mother was Nigerian?

I thought his failure to define exactly who could and couldn't stay was telling. The Nazis had the Nuremberg Laws which tried to sort this out (pure German, Mischling first degree (one parent / two grandparents), Mischling second degree (one grandparent) etc), and it led to some fascinating (academically) attempts to define who was and wasn't German. The German film "the Wannsee Conference" (Kenneth Branagh film "Conspiracy" is almost a word for word English version) explores some of this in Stuckart's attempts to defend protecting "German blood", but Steve can't even define biologically who he does or doesn't want to keep (and why). It just betrays the shallowness of his argument.

So that's my challenge to anyone who wants to defend Steve - give us a precise definition of who does and doesn't stay. If you can't have something that will stand up to scrutiny (even if we disagree with the general idea) your idea is intellectually redundant.

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